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If Logos is rising, what does that mean for conservatism? Professor Rachel Fulton Brown talks with Dr. E. Michael Jones about Barren Metal: A History of Capitalism as the Conflict Between Labor and Usury (Fidelity Press, 2014) as the basis for understanding our current cultural conflict. The conversation takes us from the looting of the monasteries by the English “Reformers” through the protests at Occupy Wall Street, uncovering the alchemical mechanism at the basis of capitalism.